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		<title>By: Non-descript</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-3247</link>
		<dc:creator>Non-descript</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sizwe,

I&#039;m a little concerned at the idea that people throw the term &#039;race&#039; &amp; &#039;racist&#039; at everything in life.  We are all unique human beings who have preferences and tendencies toward certain things in life but just because we lean towards certain something doesn&#039;t really mean that we are being biased or hateful toward the other.  For instance ... some people may prefer salt to sugar but does that I mean they hate sugar?  No, it doesn&#039;t, they merely have a preference.  People often find solace and associate with others that they have something in common with, regardless of gender, race, sex or age.  Old people may not choose to hang out with young people and vice versa or Catholic people may not want to hang out with Jewish people or anarchists may not want to hang out with Buddhists, or Zulu people don’t want to hang out with Xhosa people but all of this is ok. These are merely just labels, rather than a state of mind.  What is important, is to celebrate our differences and embrace them and the only way to accomplish these things is to lead by example. It&#039;s always important to remember where we came from, the history behind it and the atrocities that have occurred and countless lives that have been lost across all races but to dwell on the past and wallow in it, makes it almost feel like those losses were in vain.  Have we learned nothing?  We need to move on and look to the future in a brighter and more positive light.  You might not be &quot;an angry black&quot; as you so eloquently put it but it certainly come across like you are resentful.  This in fact is the sort of thing that perpetuates the &quot;racist&quot; frame of mind.  We need to let go of the past, not forget it, there is subtle difference.  We need to stop placing so much emphasis on the race thing, it really is overplayed and in doing so, we are keeping it very much alive.  The only way forward is to learn from our mistakes and move on.
This is what we should be teaching our children and each other.

I&#039;ve read your post carefully and reading between the lines, it almost sounds like you&#039;re saying that people of your culture suffer more than others.  I can assure you that all people of all races and backgrounds feel pain equally.  Things like poverty, illness, death, abuse and just the day to day struggles in life affect us all and are just the same for all us, regardless of race.  We all encounter a wide variety of prejudices across all areas of life, be it race, religion, age, class distinction, disabilities, sexual preferences etc. and continue to experience these things on a daily basis.  You are not alone.  Welcome the harsh realities that we call life.  It is not however doom and gloom, there is hope out there, every day miracles, in the small gestures we do for each other.  That’s how we change the world, by one random act of kindness at a time.  I have seen a great many positive things, heard a great deal of stories of people doing good things for each other and these are things have inspired me and continue to inspire me. There is hope for us yet but we all have a role to play in creating change and producing positive outcomes.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sizwe,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little concerned at the idea that people throw the term &#8216;race&#8217; &amp; &#8216;racist&#8217; at everything in life.  We are all unique human beings who have preferences and tendencies toward certain things in life but just because we lean towards certain something doesn&#8217;t really mean that we are being biased or hateful toward the other.  For instance &#8230; some people may prefer salt to sugar but does that I mean they hate sugar?  No, it doesn&#8217;t, they merely have a preference.  People often find solace and associate with others that they have something in common with, regardless of gender, race, sex or age.  Old people may not choose to hang out with young people and vice versa or Catholic people may not want to hang out with Jewish people or anarchists may not want to hang out with Buddhists, or Zulu people don’t want to hang out with Xhosa people but all of this is ok. These are merely just labels, rather than a state of mind.  What is important, is to celebrate our differences and embrace them and the only way to accomplish these things is to lead by example. It&#8217;s always important to remember where we came from, the history behind it and the atrocities that have occurred and countless lives that have been lost across all races but to dwell on the past and wallow in it, makes it almost feel like those losses were in vain.  Have we learned nothing?  We need to move on and look to the future in a brighter and more positive light.  You might not be &#8220;an angry black&#8221; as you so eloquently put it but it certainly come across like you are resentful.  This in fact is the sort of thing that perpetuates the &#8220;racist&#8221; frame of mind.  We need to let go of the past, not forget it, there is subtle difference.  We need to stop placing so much emphasis on the race thing, it really is overplayed and in doing so, we are keeping it very much alive.  The only way forward is to learn from our mistakes and move on.<br />
This is what we should be teaching our children and each other.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read your post carefully and reading between the lines, it almost sounds like you&#8217;re saying that people of your culture suffer more than others.  I can assure you that all people of all races and backgrounds feel pain equally.  Things like poverty, illness, death, abuse and just the day to day struggles in life affect us all and are just the same for all us, regardless of race.  We all encounter a wide variety of prejudices across all areas of life, be it race, religion, age, class distinction, disabilities, sexual preferences etc. and continue to experience these things on a daily basis.  You are not alone.  Welcome the harsh realities that we call life.  It is not however doom and gloom, there is hope out there, every day miracles, in the small gestures we do for each other.  That’s how we change the world, by one random act of kindness at a time.  I have seen a great many positive things, heard a great deal of stories of people doing good things for each other and these are things have inspired me and continue to inspire me. There is hope for us yet but we all have a role to play in creating change and producing positive outcomes.</p>
<p>Points to ponder &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sizwe</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-1521</link>
		<dc:creator>Sizwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol.
I love this planet.
tell me lizette, what exactly have you paid for your ancestors mistakes. hmm? a little remorse? were you nicer to your maid? lol. did you have cathartic conversations in the canteen with your black colleague about how wrong apartheid was? 
lol.
and now you&#039;re not racist?

let me put it to you like this: since 1995, any display of anger/sadness/self-assertion by black individuals in the presence of white individuals has been met with that argument of yours, effectively closing the space for us to really engage in a dialogue about what happened.

personally i dont even blame white people for apartheid. I blame black people for letting it happen; for dropping the &#039;dignity&#039; ball, as it were.

so dont worry. i dont hate you. I just dont think you think very clearly.

:-).
enjoy your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol.<br />
I love this planet.<br />
tell me lizette, what exactly have you paid for your ancestors mistakes. hmm? a little remorse? were you nicer to your maid? lol. did you have cathartic conversations in the canteen with your black colleague about how wrong apartheid was?<br />
lol.<br />
and now you&#8217;re not racist?</p>
<p>let me put it to you like this: since 1995, any display of anger/sadness/self-assertion by black individuals in the presence of white individuals has been met with that argument of yours, effectively closing the space for us to really engage in a dialogue about what happened.</p>
<p>personally i dont even blame white people for apartheid. I blame black people for letting it happen; for dropping the &#8216;dignity&#8217; ball, as it were.</p>
<p>so dont worry. i dont hate you. I just dont think you think very clearly.</p>
<p> <img src='http://jozikids.co.za/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
enjoy your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Polite</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator>Polite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mina,I had to laugh,your daughter&#039;s comment was so hilarious, and perhaps more poignant,if everyone noticed a person&#039;s characteristics more than their colour,the issue of racial awareness would be half-solved(I refuse to call it racism because that just feeds into all the negativity surrounding the issues of different colours,kids by nature aren&#039;t capable of racism,unless the environment actively/inactively indoctrinates them).

I pray that we as parents are able to let our kids be kids,if we adults don&#039;t take such stuff too personally,neither will the kids. This reminded me of years back when I was 16 and my white pen-friend took me back to her country,Sweden,for a term. On an outing to the zoo,we went to a pen which had a lot of baboons,despite being from Africa,I had never seen baboons in real life before so I was absolutely shocked by the &quot;pinkness&quot; of their behinds so I exclaimed &quot;oh my God,they have got pink bums!!&quot; to which my pen-pal coolly replied &quot;but Polite,we&#039;ve got pink bums,too!!!&quot; and we both burst out laughing!!!

So lets take heart,as a member of the brown race I will always feel that the past hurts against my kind have given the other race an unfair advantage over us,but we are here now and we can make a difference to our circumstances,regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mina,I had to laugh,your daughter&#8217;s comment was so hilarious, and perhaps more poignant,if everyone noticed a person&#8217;s characteristics more than their colour,the issue of racial awareness would be half-solved(I refuse to call it racism because that just feeds into all the negativity surrounding the issues of different colours,kids by nature aren&#8217;t capable of racism,unless the environment actively/inactively indoctrinates them).</p>
<p>I pray that we as parents are able to let our kids be kids,if we adults don&#8217;t take such stuff too personally,neither will the kids. This reminded me of years back when I was 16 and my white pen-friend took me back to her country,Sweden,for a term. On an outing to the zoo,we went to a pen which had a lot of baboons,despite being from Africa,I had never seen baboons in real life before so I was absolutely shocked by the &#8220;pinkness&#8221; of their behinds so I exclaimed &#8220;oh my God,they have got pink bums!!&#8221; to which my pen-pal coolly replied &#8220;but Polite,we&#8217;ve got pink bums,too!!!&#8221; and we both burst out laughing!!!</p>
<p>So lets take heart,as a member of the brown race I will always feel that the past hurts against my kind have given the other race an unfair advantage over us,but we are here now and we can make a difference to our circumstances,regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizette</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-1431</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t help but agree with Karen.

Can&#039;t help but think. How will I ever be able to teach my children to accept others and that they will be accepted if &#039;brown and black&#039; parents will make sure their children will carry on the hatred of the wrongs in the past(Sizwe). 

I&#039;ve never understood this &#039;logic&#039; - why and how long must I pay for the mistakes generations before me made? 

We will really never get anywhere with attitudes like this! This is really very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t help but agree with Karen.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t help but think. How will I ever be able to teach my children to accept others and that they will be accepted if &#8216;brown and black&#8217; parents will make sure their children will carry on the hatred of the wrongs in the past(Sizwe). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never understood this &#8216;logic&#8217; &#8211; why and how long must I pay for the mistakes generations before me made? </p>
<p>We will really never get anywhere with attitudes like this! This is really very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-1430</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading all the views...especially Sizwe and Polite. It is almost what Steve Biko said all those years ago. He wanted blacks to love themselves and be proud of who they were. He often said &quot;black is beautiful&quot;. He had strong views and he stood by his convictions just like Polite and Sizwe...Good for you guys.....

I do however not look to deep into what the kids say. My 5 year old just started grade 0 and has been at school for exactly 4 days and still does not remember her friends name. She just refers to her as the &#039;fat girl&#039;. I went to fetch her today and asked her to point the little girl out and she pointed to a little black girl.
She never saw colour....only her body shape. I told her to remember the child as Rebecca and not &#039;the fat girl&#039;, she just laughed and said....but she calls me &#039;shorty&#039; mom!!!.
Some children see colour first some see size and some see shape. 
I really think that the racism issue we see in our children is just a reflection of our experiences.
Living in South Africa is certainly colourful and interesting to say the least. Lets embrace these issues and talk to our children openly about matters and they will make the right choices when they are adults. Have Faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading all the views&#8230;especially Sizwe and Polite. It is almost what Steve Biko said all those years ago. He wanted blacks to love themselves and be proud of who they were. He often said &#8220;black is beautiful&#8221;. He had strong views and he stood by his convictions just like Polite and Sizwe&#8230;Good for you guys&#8230;..</p>
<p>I do however not look to deep into what the kids say. My 5 year old just started grade 0 and has been at school for exactly 4 days and still does not remember her friends name. She just refers to her as the &#8216;fat girl&#8217;. I went to fetch her today and asked her to point the little girl out and she pointed to a little black girl.<br />
She never saw colour&#8230;.only her body shape. I told her to remember the child as Rebecca and not &#8216;the fat girl&#8217;, she just laughed and said&#8230;.but she calls me &#8216;shorty&#8217; mom!!!.<br />
Some children see colour first some see size and some see shape.<br />
I really think that the racism issue we see in our children is just a reflection of our experiences.<br />
Living in South Africa is certainly colourful and interesting to say the least. Lets embrace these issues and talk to our children openly about matters and they will make the right choices when they are adults. Have Faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Siswe,

You&#039;re right: it is going to be a painfully slow process (even if that is hard to admit sometimes!)and a lot of damage have been done. But you must know that there are people that are truly very sorry that people have been treated in such an inhumane fashion. As for race, my personal belief is that science is proving what the Bible have said for such a long time: it doesn&#039;t exist. The humane genome project have proved that the colour of your skin is as relevant (or not) as the colour of your eyes. We all stem from Adam and we all were created in the image of our Father. To discriminate against another human, is to discriminate against our Holy Father Himself. I agree with all the other readers: celebrate your culture and history: don&#039;t lose that in the process, but also make sure you teach your child how to build bridges between him/herself and other people

Love ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Siswe,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right: it is going to be a painfully slow process (even if that is hard to admit sometimes!)and a lot of damage have been done. But you must know that there are people that are truly very sorry that people have been treated in such an inhumane fashion. As for race, my personal belief is that science is proving what the Bible have said for such a long time: it doesn&#8217;t exist. The humane genome project have proved that the colour of your skin is as relevant (or not) as the colour of your eyes. We all stem from Adam and we all were created in the image of our Father. To discriminate against another human, is to discriminate against our Holy Father Himself. I agree with all the other readers: celebrate your culture and history: don&#8217;t lose that in the process, but also make sure you teach your child how to build bridges between him/herself and other people</p>
<p>Love ya!</p>
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		<title>By: Kibbie</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>Kibbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my daughter was four years old she made a similar comment. We were living in the US at the time and she was in the monority in her class and she wanted to be part of the majority. I think that at this age children become aware of similarities and differences. More importantly they become aware of themselves in relation to others. I found a really nice book entitled &quot;The skin I am in&quot; (I cannot remember the author) really useful in explaining difference (not just in terms of &#039;race&#039;) and why all children are special. Even though we bought it when she was four (and at that stage there was a lot she did not understand) we have referred back to it a number of times over the years (she is now nine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my daughter was four years old she made a similar comment. We were living in the US at the time and she was in the monority in her class and she wanted to be part of the majority. I think that at this age children become aware of similarities and differences. More importantly they become aware of themselves in relation to others. I found a really nice book entitled &#8220;The skin I am in&#8221; (I cannot remember the author) really useful in explaining difference (not just in terms of &#8216;race&#8217;) and why all children are special. Even though we bought it when she was four (and at that stage there was a lot she did not understand) we have referred back to it a number of times over the years (she is now nine).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://jozikids.co.za/blog/2010/01/18/racist-toddler/comment-page-1/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&#039;luck on 702 tomorrow Brendah! Breathe and Enjoy :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;luck on 702 tomorrow Brendah! Breathe and Enjoy <img src='http://jozikids.co.za/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nomizana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomizana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently looking for a creche for my daughter who is 3 and I am very mindful of the intergration/mix in her environment. I want her to be exposed to all creeds and appreciate beauty in other races. 
The sad thing is that we may think it poses no harm to a child but unchecked it does. If your daughter had not been expressive about it she might have grown up thinking that it is better to be lighter/white skinned. 
This might not be shown by words but by behaviour, flicking back hair you don&#039;t have to flick back cause that&#039;s the mannerism of a soft-haired community. 
I don&#039;t agree with people that say its not a race issue, cause even at such a young aged, she has grouped people as either brown or white and she prefers her own family in the brown community. And the brown people probably bore her because they insist she speaks her native language or some other thing that would irritate a child socialised in a shool that is predominantly white. We see it all the time, a child not communicating in her own language even with her own parents. What cause that when all languages are used at home?  
Its a fine topic to discuss with a small person but it must be constantly discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently looking for a creche for my daughter who is 3 and I am very mindful of the intergration/mix in her environment. I want her to be exposed to all creeds and appreciate beauty in other races.<br />
The sad thing is that we may think it poses no harm to a child but unchecked it does. If your daughter had not been expressive about it she might have grown up thinking that it is better to be lighter/white skinned.<br />
This might not be shown by words but by behaviour, flicking back hair you don&#8217;t have to flick back cause that&#8217;s the mannerism of a soft-haired community.<br />
I don&#8217;t agree with people that say its not a race issue, cause even at such a young aged, she has grouped people as either brown or white and she prefers her own family in the brown community. And the brown people probably bore her because they insist she speaks her native language or some other thing that would irritate a child socialised in a shool that is predominantly white. We see it all the time, a child not communicating in her own language even with her own parents. What cause that when all languages are used at home?<br />
Its a fine topic to discuss with a small person but it must be constantly discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone is over thinking this way too much!!!

She has two brown friends in her class and they are boring.  She told you that already.  That is a fact.

There are more white kids so the chances are higher that some of the white kids will be funnier and more exciting to be around.  

Your kid is smart.  She&#039;s making assumptions and evaluating the situation.  That&#039;s not to say her final thoughts are right or wrong.  I&#039;m just saying that she&#039;s a smart girl and Lucky you for her telling you how she feels and thinks.

Plus she is 3 years old which means she likes to test things out.

Using the term Racist isn&#039;t adequate for this situation.  She isn&#039;t racist.  She&#039;s just drawing parallels and it&#039;s natural, and normal for her to do so!  Unless she is using hate speech with specific terms and jargon about the brown kids then you know she isn&#039;t being brain washed by another kid at school.

Maybe the other 2 brown kids are boring because they feel uncomfortable being the only ones there.... who knows.  I wouldn&#039;t worry about it.   It&#039;s normal.  But you should keep doing what you are doing and encouraging her to like brown people, too.  So you are doing the right things! Good for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is over thinking this way too much!!!</p>
<p>She has two brown friends in her class and they are boring.  She told you that already.  That is a fact.</p>
<p>There are more white kids so the chances are higher that some of the white kids will be funnier and more exciting to be around.  </p>
<p>Your kid is smart.  She&#8217;s making assumptions and evaluating the situation.  That&#8217;s not to say her final thoughts are right or wrong.  I&#8217;m just saying that she&#8217;s a smart girl and Lucky you for her telling you how she feels and thinks.</p>
<p>Plus she is 3 years old which means she likes to test things out.</p>
<p>Using the term Racist isn&#8217;t adequate for this situation.  She isn&#8217;t racist.  She&#8217;s just drawing parallels and it&#8217;s natural, and normal for her to do so!  Unless she is using hate speech with specific terms and jargon about the brown kids then you know she isn&#8217;t being brain washed by another kid at school.</p>
<p>Maybe the other 2 brown kids are boring because they feel uncomfortable being the only ones there&#8230;. who knows.  I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it.   It&#8217;s normal.  But you should keep doing what you are doing and encouraging her to like brown people, too.  So you are doing the right things! Good for you!</p>
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